The Committee on Church Cooperation is happy to offer assistance to Morgan County's neediest residents, as long as they are not undocumented immigrants.
The restriction came as a surprise to the pastors of many churches who support the not-for-profit organization on First Avenue Southeast in Decatur.
Gayle Monk, CCC executive director, said the organization has had to take extra steps to make sure undocumented immigrants do not obtain food, clothing and other assistance, much of which is donated to the agency by Morgan County churches.
"We thoroughly check everybody out," Monk said. "We've even got wind that a lot of them have illegal Social Security cards. So I've tried to educate my staff on what to look for."
As a condition of receiving assistance, Monk said, applicants must present government-issued photo identification showing residence in Morgan County. They also must provide a Social Security card for every member of the household, as well as documentation of income.
"The majority of the Hispanics, No. 1, can't speak English when they come in here and, No. 2, have a Social Security card that is fake," Monk said. "The majority of them that come in here don't have everything they need, and they don't come back. We even have problems with some of our (non-Hispanic) clients because they get mad because we require so much information."
CCC does not discriminate, "regardless of color, race or creed," she said.
Monk said the extra attention paid to documentation has been effective.
"It used to be about 10 percent (Hispanics) that we served," Monk said. "Since cracking down, I haven't seen anybody, especially in the last month.
"I think word kind of got around. We really had to crack down because they would come in, and they wouldn't have any documents."
She said CCC always has required the documentation, but "I don't think it's always been strictly enforced."
Monk, who has been director for two months, said the renewed focus on documentation was not advertised, but word got around.
"People talk among themselves," Monk said. "They knew they couldn't get by with finagling, so they stopped coming here. It's been a while since I've seen any Hispanics walk through our door."
John Rutland, pastor of Ninth Street United Methodist Church, said he had not been aware of the policy. His church is an active sponsor of CCC, often providing and serving meals.
"I am concerned about that," Rutland said. "I think we need to serve all people who need to be served, no matter who they are."
Rutland — who said CCC does an excellent job — said he could not speak for his entire congregation, but he saw inconsistencies in the organization's policy against serving undocumented immigrants and his understanding of Christianity.
"We want to be involved with the poor, the needy, the oppressed, with the strangers in our midst. We have a long record of that, and that is a part of who we are," Rutland said.
Bishop Will Willimon of the 750-church North Alabama Conference of the United Methodist Church said he was surprised by the restriction.
"I can't imagine what biblical basis would cause them to take such a stance," Willimon said.
"Most churches that I've been associated with, if someone needs help, they try to respond by giving help. They don't do a background check on the person."
He said he could understand governments deciding not to help undocumented immigrants in need, but saw no rationale for Christian organizations.
"That's just ludicrous," he said. "That's embarrassing as a Christian. Our Lord was an undocumented immigrant to Egypt as a baby. He was taken to Egypt the same way most kids are brought to America, without having a say in the matter."
State Rep. Terri Collins, R-Decatur, who voted in favor of the recently passed state immigration law, said she thought it was up to CCC.
"If they have citizenship as one of their requirements, I certainly would not oppose that," Collins said. "I would not have an opinion on whether that would be right or wrong."
Different standards, she said, apply to individuals offering assistance.
"As an individual and someone who's ministering to people, there's no reason to ask citizenship questions usually," Collins said. "If there's a need right before you as an individual, you address that need."
The pastor of Decatur Baptist Church said his congregation has supported CCC for at least 30 years, but he had not realized the organization required citizenship as a condition of assistance.
"I would not want to comment on that," Ripley said. "If they're doing that, they must have a reason."
The pastor of another church that actively supports CCC, Trinity United Methodist Church, also said he had not realized the organization required documentation.
"I was unaware of that," said Roy Bryant. "I don't know enough about it to comment."
Bill Hurt, pastor of First Baptist Church of Decatur, was unaware of CCC's documentation requirements. He said the need in Morgan County is so overwhelming that not everybody can be served, but he was uncomfortable with citizenship being the criterion used to exclude those who need help.
"I'm not so sure that it is (a good reason for withholding aid)," Hurt said. "I'm sure not going to criticize someone who says it is a legitimate concern. If the CCC has made that their criteria, I'm not blasting them for that."
Formed by area churches in 1973, CCC became a not-for-profit corporation in 1975.
Monk said her enforcement of the requirement that CCC clients document their citizenship was not her choice.
"I'm not saying I care or I don't care about that," Monk said. "I'm just doing what we're required to do here. We have a board we answer to."
Monk refused to name members of the CCC board or executive board.
Willimon said the effort to determine who among the poor deserve Christian support was unfortunate, but not uncommon.
"I can't decide whether somebody's deserving or undeserving. I have no criteria in the Bible for doing that," Willimon said.
"All I know is Jesus said poor people are closer to God's kingdom than rich people. I don't like that Jesus said that, but unfortunately he did. I know what I'm deserving of, and thank God he does not deal with me according to my desserts. To me, this is another absurd intrusion of political ideology into Christian work."
Monk said CCC has no connection to the controversy over undocumented immigrants because it receives no governmental funding.
"We operate strictly off of donations given to us out of the kindness of an individual's heart," Monk said.
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The Committee on "Church" Cooperation has bowed down to Rome and has taken its eyes off the Cross. This organization should have practiced a little civil disobedience in the name of the one who said "come unto me".
If the illegals are here to work and they have a job why do they need charity??
Close the place down.
I will not turn down a hungry animal and I certainly could not turn down hungry people because they lack documentaton. I have supported the CCC in the past but I'm going to have to look into this further before I make another contribution to them.
That's okay John. I've never given to them, but now that I know that my money won't be given to people in this country illegally, I will be a regular contributor.
Another story, but STILL no story on how hard it is for a person from mexico to get documents to come in this country the legal way. What problems do they have that they can not do that. Come on DD do your job, report, dig do a REAL story. Surely you can send Eric to Mexico to do that.
Looks like the DD would like for CCC to ignore the Law. Jumping on CCC because you disagree with the law serves no good purpose.
I'm thinking that the U.S. should really just open up it's borders to anyone that wants to sneak in. Why should Hispanics have an advantage just because they can walk/run/crawl in? People from other countries would come as well if we made it easy for them as well. This is an equal opportunity country. Right? And while we are at it, let's make the evil rich people pay for them to come here. Why should they be allowed to keep their own money?
No you won't Ted. And you know it.
Somebody tell Terri Collins what to think so she can have an opinion. Who's dumber, the mayor of Decatur or the representative for Decatur?
I worked in one outrach center and helped supply clothing, food, etc. to people who wpplied. All we needed was the soc. sec. and you would be surprised how many people died and still walking around. They used ss numbers from dead people to get the items. I rode by one starving family and I seen the clothes they got from the center up for sale in a yard sale. And do you know what, the food they collect (FREE) was traded for tobacco, or dog food. The had 3 large dogs and I know it takes a lot of dog food tofeed them . When they came it next time I cut them off and lo and behold, they went back to Mexico. The ss numbers can tell you about what time they were issued.
Oh, did I mention they had a cooler full of beer an sitting outside drinking while holding the yard sale. In a dry county yet.
The CCC has helped hundreds of American citizens. Why should our own underpriviledge be penalized or BLACKMAILED by illegals !!! If you so called Christian Churches are so Bible versed, you will see the Law is being broken. If you don't like what the CCC is doing then open YOUR doors and see what kind of job you can do. The CCC is not a goverment agency to give free to those who are illegal. No illegal has showed up this month ? And I'm sick of hearing how the Legals are so afraid of the new law. It pertains to ILLEGALES not American Citizens that you are suppose to be or did you not mean it when you took your oath to OBEY the laws of the USA.
An all-time low. Bigoted. Stunning news. No coincidence. And -- as a pastor, how could you not comment on this? What about those who profess neutrality in the face of moral conflict?
"If they have citizenship as one of their requirements, I certainly would not oppose that," Collins said. "I would not have an opinion on whether that would be right or wrong."
but you had an opinion to back/create this law? A Sumerian would not stand a chance in these parts. Thanks!
I believe that Christians as well as any decent human being in this country should feed and clothe the poor no matter what the circumstances. This is being made all about the illegal immigrants but there are also Americans who go to these places for help. They are treated many times the same way. What difference does it make and why should you have to have any kind of "documentation" to get food or clothing. I know that there are some who may abuse this but there are many others in this country who are just thankful for the help. What a hateful bunch some have become.
as far as im concerned you're all illegal aliens.... unless your an American Indian
Would Jesus turn down a person in need because of where they came from? Time of think about what it mean to be a christian and put politics aside.
if all the illegals coming here came from europe no one would be worried about sending them back!!! just saying...
if all the illegals coming here came from europe no one would be worried about sending them back!!! just saying...
To all those professing to be christians, WWJD?
To be a good Samaritan breaks no law.
well, well, well..... the CCC has "backed itself into a corner". They've thrown their leg "over the fence" and now no matter which leg they throw the other way, they are gonna get "crap" on their shoes.
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If they continue with this, they will loose donations from part of the town that thinks they should be helping them.
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If they backtrack and help illegals, they will loose donations from the other folks that don't want to support those that support illegals..
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Either way, they just screwed themselves out of donations regardless of what they do now. It appears to not be a smart business decision on their part. Even stupider to advertise a poor decision.
First, the CCC isn't creating their own policy that denies assistance to Hispanics or Illegal immigrants. The CCC is simply enforcing the laws that have been imposed upon them. If you have an issue with what the CCC is doing as an organization then you really need to take a step back and read the law that our state legislature has passed. The law passed ties the hands of non-profits by demanding that they ensure they are not "harboring" illegal immigrants. This isn't an issue of whether the CCC is doing the Christian thing or not, its about whether or not the State Legislator should be allowed to tell a Church, group of Churches or a not for profit group who they can or cannot assist. In my opinion it is the State that is in the wrong in this issue.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press. This is a basic tennant of our government and If i remember correctly the first of our Rights established by the Bill of Rights. I am a Christian and the actions of assisting those in need are just as important to my Religion as the sacraments that i particapate in while in worship. To deny an organization the right to freely assist someone in need, anyone in need, is a denial of their basic rights afforded to them by the Constitution.
I believe that some people are forgetting that our government is the one who allowed the illegals to come here and work and pay no taxes and who were not governed in most cases by our laws. So why would people in this country blame the immigrants for wanting a bertter life. Why not voice your bigoted and hateful remarks to the government? But back to the issue of this article I say that you feed the hungry and clothe them whatever their race is and whatever their cirumstances are with or without documentation. Maybe by doing so YOU are changing someone's life.
And another thing, be careful pointing fingers and judging someone because some day it may come back to bite you.
http://blog.al.com/live/2011/10/wayne_flynt_and_tomato_politic.html
There is no law making it illegal to help those in need regardless of their immigration status. Alabama TRIED and had that part of the new law struck down by the Supreme Court.
Totally agree with Williams's comments on comparsion of Terri Collins and Stanford. who is dumber than dumb. Coworkers read her statements and they came away with what was she trying to say..
Terri should never talk with a reporter as she is totally inept. Let's remember she is a product of the Tea Party.
The ministers comments about CCC policy shows they are just political hacks.
For all you Bible quoting folks, let's not forget the parable of the talents where we are taught to be good stewards of that which is given to us. How can the CCC be good stewards of their resources if they are continually giving them away to people who abuse them? I respect and admire their committment to utilitize the resources as responsibily as possible. Getting assistnace from CCC, or any other charitable agency, just because you can as opposed to getting assistance because you NEED it is abusing the charity and it takes resources away from those who need it.
It sounds like to me the CCC is doing the best they can to do follow ALL of Christ's teachings. Help those who cannot help themselves and be a good steward of the resources you've been given.
So how many people do you assume show up at the CCC just for the fun of it, DecaturResident? If someone shows up at the door of a charitable organization, the organization should assume he or she is there because of need. Sending them away just because they failed to produce certain documents isn't a Christ-like thing to do. These churches made their donations based on the assumption that CCC would distribute them to those who needed them, not just the ones the CCC administrators felt like helping. I can see requiring some paperwork or signatures to avoid double-dipping from the same applicant, but the main point of the exercise is to provide emergency food and other items to ANYONE who needs it. It sounds like the current CCC director is a little too pleased that "Hispanics, not just illegal immigrants, have stopped coming into HER store for assistance.
Hopefully the Tea Party people will think for themselves by electing a representative other than Terri Collins in the next election.
It's best that people don't let any political party think for themsellves. People in Germany did not think for themself by electing Hitler who was legal.
Peter,
I hope and pray every democrat running for office in Alabama publicly opposes HB 56 and campaigns on a promise to repeal it in 2012. Everyone them!
I will continue to SUPPORT the CCC. Thank you for a wonderful job. Illegals are ILLEGALS!!!
I think there are enough people showing up simply because it's an easy place to get stuff without paying for it. Those that live on the dole and those who have come to expect a hand-out go there all the time. CCC will never be able to serve everyone, and I supsect they will serve just as many individuals now as they always have. Inn fact, I wouldn't have any problem with the CCC conducting home visits to verify needs even for those with proper documentation. The charitable contributions of others should be managed with great respect and care, not thrown out willy-nilly like Mardi Gras beads.
Since none have been back in a month, where are they getting hand outs. I've never heard any of you illegal lovers stand up for our homeless and elderly that don't have family or transportation to go places. Charity begins at home !!!! If you don't support the CCC then mind your own business and let them do theirs.
I don't recall anywhere in the New Testament where Christ said "Feed the poor ... as long as they have photo ID".
I've given money and donations to the CCC. As long as this policy is in place, they'll receive no more from me.
Is there another food bank in Morgan County?
Attn world it doesn't matter if you only help American citizens or anyone, you can get all the documentation you want but if you are in the business of giving something away one day some one is going to take something they don't need. Black, white, purple or etc there are just pathetic people in every race documented or not. I don't think that illegals should get but the "church" should be the exception. The church has one message to work for God. Everything that they do is for God there are no exceptions to this rule. Everything that the church does is for him. I don't remember seeing ask for the paperwork then help. If that is how the CCC wants to operate fine but they need to take the church out of their name and continue on with business. All I can say is good luck to them.
Interesting that non subscribers have full access to "factual news stories" that support the daily's editorial position, but not to other "factual news stories". But then it's the daily's web site, just like corporate profits, eh, guys.
Jesus, might teach the illegal aliens, "how to fish?" He would not give them free fish, freshly cooked, served with a glass of white wine.
I have GIVEN numerous donations to the CCC with the belief that it was to help THOSE in need. If I had cared who that was I would have asked. I chose to GIVE to the CCC instead of having a yard sale and making money because I wanted to help the needy NO MATTER WHAT THEIR CIRCUMSTANCES. I chose to give freely without questioning the CCC on who the chosen persons would be and what they had to earn MY DONATIONS because I wanted to help people. SHAME on the CCC. They have received my last donation of any kind which is really too bad because I have donated plenty to them. If I could go and ask for it back I would.
KEEP YOU THE GOOD WORK CCC YOU'LL HAVE PLENTY OF SUPPORT. SOME OF THESE PEOPLE THINK YOU SHOULD HELP ESCAPED CONVICTS WITH FOOD,CLOTHES,MONEY AND MAYBE GIVE THEM A PISTOL. A CRIMINAL IS A CRIMINAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
R.L., The Christian Neighhood Center on Bank Street in Decatur is a group that are doing wonderful things for all people that are in need. Tomorrow I am taking 5 large bags of clothes and food to the center.
They are wonderful people who are following the teaching of Christ. Best wishes!
I drove by the CCC today and was total shocked at the large number of luxury automobiles parked in the employees parking lot. Yes, they belong to the employees.
It appears that the CCC is run by hypocrites.
No mention of the ages of those turned away. What a sad situation caused by a moronic politician and his cronies! Maybe they will need help some day and be turned away.
What happens to the food if it isn't given to the needy?? Maybe the Daily should investigate that aspect !
The MYSTERY BOARD OF DIRECTORS?? I would be ashamed to have my name released too!!!! SHAME ON YOU ALL AND MS. MONK. How sorry can a pastor be to have no opinion when asked about helping the poor! They are probably afraid they will be replaced and find themselves in the line at the CCC begging for food. Sound biblical??
I wonder if God will turn them away? No way!
If you can't perform the actions you were created to perform, shut down and let Ms. Monk screw up something else.
If we're lucky, they will put here in charge of The Princess Theatre and it will go under! Or the wave pool!
Isn't it funny that the law is to rid us of illegal immigrants, as opposed to illegal aliens and that Ms. Monk only mentions Hispanics. That should clear up any confusion you might have regarding the CCC.
Why doesn't do an investigative report and see how many of the persons coming for food really have to show an ID!
I omitted the Daily in referencing an investigative report.
Ms Monk said the CCC relies on donations given out of the kindness of the individuals heart. Well if that individual is like myself they probably didn't know what the process was to get the goods given from the kindness of the their heart. I say investigate and then shut the CCC down. As far as the mystery board of directors their names can be found out and I believe every person, myself included, who is appalled by this as I am, need to send letters to them and let them know as well as to our local elected officials, how appalled we really are. This racial profiling is just wrong. Turning any hungry person down is wrong. As far as any pastor who would not comment, well they should be ashamed to say the least. I will continue to give to the needy but it sure will not be through the CCC, whether it be a food drive, or taking to them directly.
"Do not strip every last bunch of grapes from the vines, and do not pick up the grapes that fall to the ground. Leave them for the poor and the foreigners who live among you." Leviticus 19:10