To The Daily: Since the U.S. Supreme Court declared in the case of Holy Trinity vs. United States (1892) "that this is a Christian Nation," that decision has stirred continuous debates between proponents and opponents.
What is a Christian nation? The name "Christian" was attached to apostles-believers who made Christ the main theme of their preaching, teaching, healing, praying and conversation.
A Christian nation manifests Christ-likeness and acts in his stead by shaping and molding its majority through forms of Christianity.
The U.S. does not match these descriptions.
Nevertheless, our nation shows generosity in natural disasters and human crisis.
To be a Christian nation, however, we fail the following tests:
Christ said to the church, not nation, "Upon this rock," and "Go preach the gospel," as his supreme regard and the depository of sacred truths to be communicated to all people.
Christ spoke of the nation, not church, "My kingdom is not of this world," and if it were, "my servants would fight."
This statement is more fulfilled in our dysfunctional Congress where Christian Republicans and Christian Democrats fight maliciously.
The church, not nation, expresses faith and hope rather than doubt and fear. The church, not nation, mandates love for one another.
The church, not nation, upholds the Ten Commandments.
The church, not nation, exhibits courtesy, kindness and respect.
The church, not nation, heeds the instruction, "Put your sword (gun) away."
Believers and nonbelievers are equipped with firearms.
The church, not nation, believes the unbelievable, bears the unbearable, and forgives the unforgivable.
A Christian nation may have warm feelings in professing the royal name, but few actually possess the pure life.
Isaiah J. Ashe
Huntsville
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SO I suppose you think its a muslim nation ? It was based by our forefathers on the laws and principles of the bible and the Lord and freedom of worship.
by the way the bible also states to make your plows in to swords to protect and defend yourself , I hate it when people try to use the bible to their own means and turn words in to what they want them to say. The main thing wrong with this country today is you have a muslim in the Whitehouse who does not believe in god and is a true Idiot , destroying our country one freedom at a time.
Yes, tbone, "plows into swords" is found in the book of Joel (3:10 to be exact) And, "swords into plowshares" is found in the book of Isaiah (2:4 to be exact). But, you hate it when people try to use the bible to their own means? LOL
guys, the founding fathers were not christians, nor is this a 'christian nation' by any streatch, i hate to tell you. most of them were deists, quite a big difference. they were very much in favor of the freedom of religion, NOT that it EVER have influence in state.
Thomas Jefferson, of many:
"There is not one redeeming feature in our superstition of Christianity. It has made one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites."
from http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html
Thomas Jefferson, like most Christians, struggled with his faith throughout his life. He actually organized church services in government buildings while he was president. However, he also rejected the deity of Christ later in life. Was he a Christian in that he accepted Christ as his Savior? Only he and God really know, when it comes right down to it. Just like the rest of us. By the way, the quote above is not quite accurate. The full quote refers to coercion placed upon people in an effort to have one Christian sect. Here's the full quote in it's full context:
"Truth can stand by itself. Subject opinion to coercion: whom will you make your inquisitors? Fallible men; men governed by bad passions, by private as well as public reasons. And why subject it to coercion? To produce uniformity. But is uniformity of opinion desireable? No more than of face and stature. Introduce the bed of Procrustes then, and as there is danger that the large men may beat the small, make us all of a size, by lopping the former and stretching the latter. Difference of opinion is advantageous in religion. The several sects perform the office of a Censor morum over each other. Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites."
he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36
Clifton, excellent response. T Jeffersons stance with God is indeed solely between him and God. my main point stands, however. He, as well as the majority of founding fathers, specifically crafted the Constitution among other original docs as non-state-religion specific, and claimed Deism as their religious philosophy. They went to great lengths to seperate church and state, lengths that have since been forgotten as to their reasoning. I, for one, lament this.
Most of you folks are showing a great deal of ignorance about the faith, belief and practice of our founding fathers.
go on.
James from Decatur, you are correct. The founding fathers were deists. They simply believed in a higher power.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkHAJJRBJLk
buddy, i just watched that youtube vid on the history of church services in the US capital. that is all well and good. no one said legislators up to and including the president cannot have a religion, or even promote its practice. the primary question that this entire letter and comment thread deals with is 'is the US a Christian nation'?
the answer is no. the founding fathers set it up that way, so that the precepts of ANY religion cannot override the precepts of the constitution (among other founding docs). the founding fathers did not set this nation up to become a christian version of shari'a law, and i for one am very glad of that fact.
this is not a christian nation. it never was.
Since when does the Daily publish the rantings of crazy people? There is no real point to be made here. It's a narrow, ignorant, view of what are nation was and an unrealistic view of what our nation should be. James is right, we never have been a christian nation. That is not to say that Christianity hasn't played an important role in our culture and history. Judeo-Christian values certainly guide our thinking (not entirely though). This is, and always has been, a nation made up of people from diverse ethnic and religious backgrounds, we are a melting-pot- an experiment. That experiment is threatened every time some fanatic pushes his/her religious agenda.
And by the way, the President isn't a Muslim. He has systematically waged war on Political Islam and has done absolutely nothing to make any intelligent person believe that he is a follower of Islam. He drinks, he doesn't pray facing Mecca, his policies and positions do not reflect an Islamic viewpoint. If anything, he is one of the most secular presidents we have ever had and represents the growing number of secular people in our nation. Seriously, tbone, do you know anything about the religion of Islam or the President of the United States? A Muslim president would be extremely socially conservative, which I don't think Obama is. Do yourself, and the world, a favor and read a book once in a while, watch a documentary, educate yourself at least a little bit before you open your mouth. You're only embarrassing yourself.